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Pharmacy Leaders Podcast: Inspiring Leadership Interviews

Jan 31, 2018

Welcome to the Pharmacy Leaders Podcast and the Second Annual Travel Stipend Challenge

There will be at least three Travel stipends of $278 each, one for each category to be paid the day after the winners attend. I am sponsoring them personally like last year, there is no affiliation with APhA aside from I think they’re a great organization. Brandon Dyson from will cover recommendations for networking for the introvert and Jackie Boyle at will cover recommendations for the extrovert so please visit their blogs, they have a ton of good content.  

Last year we went strictly off of Facebook likes and I think this favored the extrovert and I wanted to be very inclusive, especially for those that might be a little more introverted and going to a meeting represents a big leap of faith.

The three categories for 2018 are, and you can enter 1, 2 or 3 of them. Obviously, you can only win once.

  1. Write an honest review of your favorite podcast episode on the Pharmacy Leaders Podcast on iTunes which is called Apple Podcasts now. The challenge is to articulate how this guest’s journey affected/influenced/mirrors your own and I’ll put that link in the show notes or you can use the purple podcast app. When I say honest review, the number of stars you give is irrelevant to the chance of winning.

  1. Write an honest review of the audiobook Memorizing Pharmacology: A Relaxed Approach (it’s free if you’ve never been on before) The challenge is to articulate how the techniques in the book regarding medication prefixes, infixes, and suffixes can improve (studying of the Top 200, medication safety, patients, etc.)

  1. Get the most Facebook likes on a few sentence response to the original post of what you’ve done to demonstrate leadership on your pharmacy school leadership road. The challenge is to get the most Facebook likes demonstrating your social reach.

Winners will be announced on Valentine’s Day February 14th, 2018 and I’ll have to do it by screenname if it’s like Iheartpharmacy and be offered the chance to “appear” on the Pharmacy Leaders Podcast if you wish to talk about your own leadership road and your respective colleges of pharmacy. Watch for your screenname/avatar to be called on that date and contact me via Facebook messenger.


Any year pharmacy student (P1,P2,P3,P4) can enter.

You can enter 1, 2, or 3 categories, but only win once.

You can still win if you’ve already paid for registration, I give it to you after you go or I can hand you the check in Nashville.

The number of stars does not affect your chance to win, the quality of your argument for your opinion does.

You can’t be a past APPE student of mine, I’m afraid, sorry about that.

As Part I in the series, Dr. Jackie Boyle takes us through the extrovert's journey at a national meeting, the dos, don'ts and good advice for networking and maybe landing that residency or job. 

Full Transcript:

welcome to the pharmacy leaders podcast
with your host Tony Guerra the pharmacy
leaders podcast is a member of the
pharmacy podcast network with interviews
and advice on building your professional
network brand and a purposeful second
income from students residents and
innovative professionals
welcome to the pharmacy leaders podcast
in the second annual travel stipend
challenge there's going to be at least
three travel stipends of two hundred and
seventy-eight dollars each one for each
category to be paid the day after the
winners attend and sponsoring them
personally just like last year so
there's no affiliation with APHA aside
that I think they're a great
organization and I think really my
leadership road started with my first
APHA meeting in Seattle many years ago
for instance Brandon Dyson from TLDR
pharmacy will cover recommendations for
networking for the introvert on one
podcast episode and Jackie Boyle at the
pharmacy girl comm will cover
recommendations for the extrovert on
another podcast episode so please do
visit their blogs as well they have a
ton of good content last year we went
strictly off Facebook Likes and I think
this might have favored the extrovert a
little bit more and I wanted to be very
inclusive especially for those that
might be a little introverted and going
to a meeting for them represents a big
leap of faith that it's going to be
valuable for all the money that they
spend so the three categories that you
can enter for 2018 are and you can enter
one two or three of them obviously you
can only win once number one write an
honest review of your favorite podcast
episode on the pharmacy leaders podcast
on iTunes which is now called Apple
podcast now the challenge is to
articulate how this guests journey
affected influenced or mirrors your own
and I'll put that link in the show notes
so you can use the purple podcast app or
you can click right from your iTunes
your iPhone when I say honest review the
number of stars you give is irrelevant
to the chance of you winning it's just
how you articulate how important it was
to you now second you can write an
honest review of the audiobook
memorizing pharmacology a relaxed
approach the book is actually free if
you've never been on before
now you would just cancel your
subscription if that's something you
don't want to continue with the
challenge is to articulate how the
techniques in the book regarding
medication prefixes and fixes and
suffixes can improve your studying of
the top 200 medication safety for
patients for Netflix and many of you say
well that top 200 I don't need that for
the Netflix but what it really does is
show you how to memorize a lot of things
in order very quickly and that is one
skill that you will need for that and
the third is last year we had so much
fun with this I get the most Facebook
likes on a few sentence response to the
original Facebook post on my Facebook 20
pharmd one and what you've done to
demonstrate leadership on your pharmacy
school leadership Road challenge is just
to get the most Facebook Likes
demonstrating your social Reach and you
would be surprised there are individual
pharmacy students that have
significantly more reach than an entire
School of Pharmacy
so these winners will be announced on
Valentine's Day February 14 2018 and
I'll have to do it by screen name if you
put some screen name like I Heart
pharmacy or that happens to be who you
are and you'll get a chance to appear on
the pharmacy leaders podcast and get
interviewed if you wish to talk about
your own leadership road and your
college so watch for your screen name
avatar to be called on that date and
then contact me via Facebook messenger
that tends to be the quickest way to get
a hold of me just a couple notes I'm
sure there'll be something goofy that I
didn't think of that I may have to
address later but any year pharmacy
student can enter whether you're p1 p2
p3 or p4 you can enter one two or three
categories but you only win once you can
still win even if you paid for
registration I'll give it to you after
you go or I can hand you the check in
Nashville I'll be there the number of
stars doesn't affect your
chance to win the quality of your
argument for your opinion does and
unfortunately you can't be a past ap PE
student or employee of mine I'm afraid
that would just be a little bit unfair
that's so I'm sorry about that but best
of luck to everybody and made the travel
stipend contest begin okay welcome to
the pharmacy leaders podcast today of
Jackie Boyle again back on with me and
she's going to help me a little bit with
APHA which is coming up in Nashville and
she's going to take the extrovert side
as an extrovert what are the things that
you should be doing and with each of the
segments whether it's within the whether
it's in the teaching sessions whether
it's the social sessions with the state
that you're from or the college that
you're from and things like that so
Jackie welcome back to the pharmacy
leaders podcast thanks Tony thanks for
having me this is a very exciting topic
and obviously very timely given the time
of year that we're in residency
interview season has begun I know a
bunch of our students are patiently
waiting for those emails to see if they
got their interviews yeah and as a
faculty member I imagine that your
colleges success isn't very much tied to
their success the more and I don't want
to say the more residents rather the the
higher the residency acceptance
percentage maybe of those that put
themselves out there they get into
residency's the better your college
looks as a you know clinical site or a
place that sends out those kinds of
students so I know both bated breath for
student and and college but before we
get to that I do want to make an
announcement we're going to have a
little bit of contest like we did last
year where we're going to have what I
want to call a networking stipend so
it's gonna be a stipend to go to APHA
for two students and we're gonna cover
their students type and I think it's 278
dollars or something like that so check
out the show notes for this for this
episode where you're going to see
details on that but we're going to give
away 270
eight dollars two times to at least two
students this year to help them cover
their costs and networking so what I
wanted to do is bring in Jackie to talk
about networking as an extrovert she's
an extrovert who really loves to
interact with other people and wanted to
talk about you know let's just start
even on the plane to APHA so Jackie we
are both on the plane to eight BHA
you're coming from Ohio I'm coming from
Iowa what would you do if you find
yourself sitting next to someone that's
also going to the meeting yes so
basically if you're on a plane to a big
national pharmacy meeting chances are
someone right next to you is going to
that same exact niece and it has
happened to me many times more than I
can count actually but it is fairly easy
to draw up a conversation while you're
on a two three four-hour flight with
someone who's sitting next to you about
anything where they're traveling to what
book they're reading if they happen to
be reading something obviously you don't
want to disturb them in any way but you
can kind of tell by someone's body
language whether or not they're open to
talking to you and a simple conversation
small talk could lead to a great
maybe it's the RPD of the program that
you're applying to that you end up
sitting next to or a current resident of
a program that you're interested in you
never know who you're going to meet
while you're on these travels so tell me
a little bit about what kind of
information you exchanged when you were
on the plane to the national meetings do
you give a business card you know what
how do you make sure that maybe you can
connect afterwards or how do you ask for
permission to connect afterwards yeah
absolutely so at the end of your
conversation you can usually tell
whether or not that person wants to
follow up with you I would always have
your business cards though I know I've
run into a few situations or I've asked
a student for a business card and they
didn't have one so number one be sure
that you have them available and with
you and readily accessible but in
today's technology honestly LinkedIn is
most likely the way that you're going to
connect with people I know the
whew networking interactions that I've
had where I've met individuals I've
pulled up my phone they pulled up their
phone we found each other on LinkedIn
and even though we both have business
cards they might be you know falling by
the wayside at some point because we do
have this new platform that's a
professional networking site to connect
on yeah and just to add one thing to
that I tend to ask to just do one
message between us because I have you
know a couple thousand three thousand
four thousand somewhere in between their
connections on LinkedIn but so that I
have it you know higher in the queue
kind of at the top of the inbox I'll
just do one message to them through the
LinkedIn messaging system just saying hi
how's it going or something like that
just so it's fresh in there and it's
coming from you know the meeting in that
time okay well we're now landing in
Nashville you you get to your hotel and
you've got kind of the opening session
maybe isn't for a day what are the first
things you do at a national meeting yeah
I wanted to follow up on your last point
too Tony I think your your point about
sending a personalized message is an
important one because likely you're
going to meet tens if not more than tens
of people at these meetings and if you
follow up with a personalized message
you know hey Tony it was great to meet
you and talk about your podcast I look
forward to connecting with you as we go
forward in our professional lives or if
you get someone's business card I had a
great mentor tell me one time to take
the card and write something on the back
of it obviously
maybe when you're not in the vicinity of
the person after a networking
interaction you know step away and say
and write down what you talked about so
you'd have something to refer back to
when you are following up with them
either on LinkedIn or through a
thank-you card
or otherwise but to your point about
landing and getting to the hotel I like
to look at my schedule for the week and
see what sessions I'm going to or what
networking social events and
things that are coming up at the meeting
and plan it all out and get all of my
stuff organized because you are not
going to be spending nearly any time in
your hotel room it's almost a waste of
money plans you obviously need somewhere
to sleep so so it's okay to have a lot
of roommates yes if you're okay with
being cozy you know your room you're not
gonna be there very much these meetings
are morning tonight full of events and
learning and meeting new people so it's
not often that you're gonna be spending
much time there okay so you've got to
the meeting you we've gotten our badges
what's kind of one of the first things
that you do in terms of selecting which
events to go to I know a lot of times
the ones that I want to go to tend to be
at the exact same time but I honestly
start with the evening events like the
Maryland reception the Iowa reception
and then receptions maybe for some
schools that I'm precepting for what's
your plan of action what do you start
with I start with the same process
actually I look at the social events
that I want go to and oftentimes they
are conflicting so you have to determine
am I gonna have enough time to go to
both at the same hour how am I gonna
make that happen how far are they from
each other sometimes at least my first
meeting I underestimated how distance
wise how far things we're from each
other and they could be one mile two
miles walking or if your uber around you
know sometimes during these meetings
that you Burres get very busy so you
really want to map out your travel time
as well and I think I underestimated
that at my first big national meeting so
big note wear comfortable shoes but I
did in looking at the hotels are
actually in Nashville are actually
pretty well centralized and then there's
Broadway which is just down the road to
make Nashville an even bigger party town
for the weekend
we're going to be there it's I think
it's I'm pretty sure I'm running a
half-marathon which is the st. Patrick's
Day half marathon so you know we don't
we don't even need to go there to tell
students residents pharmacists just
social media is always around so watch
what you're doing in Nashville but tell
me a little bit about maybe how you
connect with people at the meeting
versus how you connect with people in
something more social like going down to
Broadway together for meals and things
like that
yeah at the meeting it's pretty easy
because you're in a common space you
know you're either in a common
educational session or a social events
where you can ask them how was your day
going or what did you like about that
last educational session what's your big
take-home points now how are you going
to use this when you get back home I
think those are easy conversations to
start because you know you're on common
I one thing to think about especially as
a student who's attending this meeting
anticipating residency you're always
interviewing so when you're out on
Broadway you're interviewing and it's
maybe a little bit stressful to think
about that but know that those
networking interactions are just as
important as the ones that you have
during the meeting so number one don't
wear your ear tag your dork tag is my
one friend I think sometimes we forget
to take those off and it just looks kind
of nerdy but really you need to be
professional while you're out and about
so keep that in mind I guess as you're
interacting in the city and make sure
that you're in interview mode at all
times okay and tell me a little bit
about going out on the floor so there's
always the event sponsors the big the
big drug companies and you know some
staffing companies career staff rx and
places like that
tell me a little bit about how you
network with that group actually going
into the section so now we're not in the
learning sections but we're with the
exhibitors and the exhibition hall how
do you network in an exhibition hall I
guess is what I'm asking yeah I first I
would see who you'd like to connect with
whether that's a podcast podcasting
group or if it's a industry group and
find a question to ask them don't you
know go up to their booth and take
something and then just walk away take a
pen take some candy right you know come
for some food or coffee that's not very
professional so find something that
you're interested in finding out more
about maybe it's a new technology and
you anticipate working with it in your
new role as a pharmacist ask them to
show you a demonstration of their new
technology and how it works or if
they're you're at a career booths I mean
that's a great opportunity to say what
what is an ideal quality of a good
candidate for a job or what do you look
for as a recruiter and these are
invaluable services that you can connect
connect with while you're there during
the National meeting yeah and the
national recruiters tend to be there so
they tend to have an idea of what states
are hot and what states might be a
little bit more of a challenge so
whether you're going into a challenging
job state or you're going into a state
that might have a number of more
opportunities either way you're at least
going to know from their perspective
because they're recruiting for certain
areas there they've gone they've you
know they're companies maybe paid five
ten up to forty thousand dollars for
them to have that space so they want to
meet people and they want to tell you
hey you know if you've been thinking
about the Pacific Northwest or if you've
been thinking about the Midwest whatever
it is there's going to be there they're
going to know where the jobs are
something that maybe I just thought of
now though so residency it's about a
50/50 shot with as we did some of the
calculations you know
people they go in tell me a little bit
about what's a back-up plan because it's
a little bit more the job market is a
little more difficult than okay well
I'll just go work retail what
recommendations do you have for a
back-up plan for somebody that's
interested in residency might apply the
next year
but what are they going to do in that
gap year well you're a peer rotations
are a sometimes I think underestimated
source of connection that you can have
with future employers
so really remember the old lady's
interactions are months to month long
interviews with individuals so if your
preceptor is impressed with your skills
now these are connections that you can
discuss possible job opportunities
towards the end of your rotation let
them know of your career plans thus far
but let them know too that
hey if residency doesn't work out for
some reason this year I'd be very
interested in continuing our
conversation about employment
opportunities here I know that sometimes
our students and I know myself and my
friends while we were on a piece had
these conversations and it was very
helpful to have a back-up plan should
the residency not work out now with the
face to as of a couple years ago this
has gotten to be a lot much of a better
situation for students because you still
as we talked about before Tony you still
have that leverage and in round two the
Scramble not as much but in round two of
you know looking at programs who have
not matched if you know what you want in
a program and you have a good Network
it's likely that you could get a program
in round 2 is it going to be in your
geographic area maybe maybe not but you
have to consider that that could be your
backup plan is is finding something
around - okay great so we've gone to the
meeting there's a bit of exhaustion you
know kind of at the end of the meeting
maybe that's not the best time to
connect one when would you start
reconnecting with the people that you
connected with about how long after
the meeting would you reconnect with
them oh yes so meetings are fun but very
tiring and I'd imagined for introverted
pharmacists even more tiring so I would
say within that next week that you get
home you know make sure it's not too
much of a delay two weeks or more might
be too late but in that first week when
you get back and you recover and recoup
week recuperate you can see who you
connected with follow up with them say
hey you know just got back from APHA
finally getting around to being
productive again wanted to just follow
up on our conversation about X Y & Z
yeah that sounds good all right well
Jackie thanks so much for your advice
and then we're gonna have another
episode where we're actually going to
talk to you about your PG why one road
the successful road to a PGI one and
then moving on to an academic career so
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