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Pharmacy Leaders Podcast: Inspiring Leadership Interviews

Feb 12, 2018

In this episode, Jackie Boyle of ThePharmacyGirl hosts Laura Nice, 2018 PharmD Candidate at Northeast Ohio Medical University (NEOMED). Laura discusses being involved in professional organizations and is a member of the Pharmacy Student Forum Executive Committee through the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists. She also discusses the importance of time management contributing to her success as a student leader including her role as past president of the NEOMED Student Society of Health-System Pharmacists. Her desire and involvement in leadership positions have been fostered by mentors she has had along the way, but also her intrinsic motivation to give back to the profession. Laura is in the midst of interviewing for PGY1 pharmacy residency positions and plans on practicing in ambulatory care while contributing to work that advances pharmacy practice.

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welcome to the pharmacy leaders podcast
with your host Tony Guerra the pharmacy
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pharmacy leaders podcast my name's
Jackie Boyle from the pharmacy girl and
today I have with me Laura nice she is a
fourth year pharmacy student in
Northeast Ohio Medical University a
friend and a future colleague so excited
to have you Laura on the pharmacy
leaders podcast thanks for having me
I'm excited excited for you to be here
so Laura I know you're highly involved
in professional organizations of the
students and you also balance your
academic work so can you tell us a
little bit about what your professional
life looks like yeah
so as you said I'm currently a fourth
year student pharmacist at Northeast
Ohio Medical University we like to call
it neo med so I'm on my a piece right
now getting ready to graduate in a few
um so it's been a really fun to be at
neo med and be a student and have so
many great mentors around who inspire us
all to get involved and we have access
to a lot of different student
organizations yes it's hard maybe
sometimes to balance all of that do you
have any strategies that you make it all
work like how does it how does it happen
and walk us through maybe some of your
time management strategies because I
gotta imagine that you've got some
yeah so I live by my planner so I like
to write everything down in that way I
know what's coming up for the week or
even for the month I also you know I
find that I make things fun so the
things that I'm doing whether it's going
to meetings or setting up time to work
with other people on projects you know
we try to make them fun so it doesn't
feel like work especially as students
and I know
being in school it was nice because
there would be days where we'd only have
classes for maybe four hours and then we
would have the rest of the day and I
found that having student organization
and professional involvement work to do
actually helps break up my day a little
bit so I wasn't just going home and
studying for 12 hours a day but made for
a nice break yeah sometimes the non non
studying time is the most rewarding at
times break break from the action tell
us how you got involved in leadership
what's your leadership journey been as a
student yeah so for me at least for
pharmacy professional organizations it
began my first year of school going to
the professional organization fair on
our campus which they hold every fall
for incoming pharmacy and medical
students I was fortunate to know some of
the older students who advised me to
join a couple of the major organizations
one of which was s SHP or the student
Society of Health System pharmacist from
there I just went ahead and applied to
be the p1 class representative and I was
fortunate to get that role where I got
to know the Executive Board better and
the other members of us at HP and then
from there I ran for president elect and
I was fortunate to be elected to that
position which ended up being like a
three year term from president elect
president and now immediate president so
this student involvement really
kick-started my involvement at the state
and national level I've been fortunate
again we have a great relationship with
the Ohio Society of Health System
pharmacists you have current president
and also you know attending the state
meetings and getting involved on the
divisions was has been really great to
get to know the pharmacist and fellow
students and then also the national
level I'm fortunate to serve on the ASHG
pharmacy student form Executive
Committee which my mentors and advisors
so you and dr. Chris packed those Sindel
English kind of pushed me along to apply
for those I was nervous you know
applying for national position but I
and I and now I'm doing it so a lot of
fun yeah it sounds like the importance
of mentorship and finding those mentors
was really a natural connection once he
started getting involved with pharmacy
organizations I know that that was my
experience as a student as well and
commonly daily English did push me to
get more involved so they oh if you're
thank you for spurring us into actions
yes the news I remember is you I heard
that pharmacy to inform Executive
Committee it was due on a Monday and the
Thursday before you were like did you
apply for that yet
no I like I don't think I'm good at
anything you need to apply and then I
got it so thank you no problem
sometimes the short deadlines we'll all
right so you've been involved as a
student leader really extensively
obviously at the local state and
national level through your leadership
journey what misconceptions do you think
are out there about leadership and what
makes a good leader yeah so I think
sometimes people think that the loudest
person in the room or the person who's
in charge is be leader and the one who's
making all the decisions you know I
don't find that to be true at all I
think you can have the quiet people in
the room who are equally as great
leaders that the people who are loud I
know for me I'm an introvert people will
say I'm not but I am but I found that
you know setting an example of being
that hard worker and you know being a
follower is just as important so yeah
that's great I think that you know
sometimes there might be expectations of
what a good leader is but hearing about
different perspectives and having
experiences in leadership certainly
brings other other things into
consideration as well so throughout your
leadership experiences I'm guessing you
may have faced some challenges what do
you think are the biggest challenges for
holding leadership positions while
you're you know pursuing your doctor
pharmacy so yeah I think the big
that's when it's time it is a
challenging like academic load balancing
that with internships and rotation hours
and just trying to also be a human and
enjoy life it is a challenge but I think
there are definitely ways to use time
management skills to develop those I
think also for students there's this
fear commitment fear of if I sign up for
this today am I gonna be doing this like
every day for the next year but I think
if you again learn those time management
skills and I remember starting as
president of us with HP sitting down the
first school being like I'm not sure how
this is gonna work I think I even walked
into dr. English's office and I was like
I don't know how I'm gonna balance all
of this and you know and I also talked
through the president who are angel a
good heart who was the president before
me and she said you know block off that
time during the day and that's when
you're gonna do it and other than that
don't reply to those emails they
nothing's urgent so making that time and
then also for students um that imposter
syndrome I was like Who am I to be a
leader in Who am I like I don't know
anything about pharmacy but I think
that's something we need to not worry
about and step out there yeah that's
actually funny that you bring that up
when I talked with Molina on the last
episode we also talked about him faster
complex no I have a sense that we might
be diving into that topic in the future
as well so having those challenges
you've obviously overcome and have done
it very well where do you think there
are opportunities for student leaders in
your opinion um I think there's lots of
opportunities you know unep it's in the
classroom where you're setting an
example of how to work hard or on those
group projects that we all love you know
working learning how to work with
different personalities and you can
learn a lot through that and then also
for students reading books and reading
blogs and listening to podcasts you know
it makes for a great downtime active
I know with the pharmacy girl we did I
had a book club only read grit and so
you know when you spread it out over
enough time to only read a chapter to a
week it's really not a lot and it gives
you a really great perspective and kind
of fun to read something that's not a
text book and then also you know
professional organizations are obviously
really great and important to me
involved in but I think there's also
opportunity to get involved in your
church or other community groups so
whatever really you're interested in in
that way you know you are taking time to
do things other than pharmacy yeah that
brings up a good point about you know
community service we might not
immediately think of that as leadership
but I read a great but well I know you
read the great book total leadership
yeah talking about the four domains of
leadership including leading yourself
your community at work at home as well
so are there any other leadership books
that you would recommend there are some
of your favorites that you wanted to
share um so one that I think really
inspired me I don't know if it's exactly
a leadership book but the energy bus by
said Jon Gordon right yes maybe Josh
Gordon anyway uh it's that short he
raised a lot of little short stories and
you know this book really focused on
being around people that are negative
energy and how they kind of sucks the
energy out they called like energy
vampires and so you know I think being a
leader part of that is being excited
about things and bringing that energy to
the table so it's always my little
reminder of myself of like if I'm
getting down like don't bring down the
energy of the room and then I'm going to
start reading emotional intelligence
soon I'm actually really excited I'm
starting my leadership
appiy next week so I'll be reading that
I look forward to that yeah that's a
good one I haven't read the energy bus
and I I think you've told me about this
before so I need to get I have heard
emotional intelligence though and I
really I really like that one okay so
thinking back let's go back to young
Laura before pharmacy school I don't
know high school sometime in
path if you can talk to yourself at that
point and advise yourself about
leadership or getting into professional
associations what do you think you would
have told yourself at that point yes so
younger Laura was very shy and very
worried about how other people perceive
me and I think that's a common thing you
know we all worry what other people
think of us but you know don't be afraid
to step up and don't be afraid to do the
things you want to be doing and meet
people and walk up you know if you're at
a meeting walk up to someone and say hi
I'm Laura I'm a student at neo Midori
you know it can be scary but if you pull
that courage for 10 seconds and do
something you would normally do it can
lead something great and sometimes it's
not as bad as we envisioned it was maybe
that introduction is not as intimidating
as we perceive he has to be right yes
so as you gotten to your leadership
journey was there something that was
driving you or was it's just those few
interactions that you had during the
professional organization fair what was
it that was motivating you to become
more involved so I think the first thing
that motivated me was wanting to learn
more about pharmacy you know stepping
into this profession socially as a
first-year student you're really not
sure what pharmacists do you don't know
anything about drugs so I took it as an
opportunity to learn about the
profession and where it's going with the
thought leaders are doing and then also
building that professional network I
knew I would need a job after school so
I wanted to get involved to meet people
and see what people across the I mean I
didn't realize at the time but I would
see what people across the country are
doing and then some of these people
became some of my really great friends
the process yeah I know that networking
sometimes goes underrated but starting
to get involved with organizations early
you've obviously been able to build a
large network which is certainly helped
open up new opportunities so one other
question recognized
that time management's important you
figured out a system to do it was there
ever a time that you felt overwhelmed
perhaps there was a lot going on
academically and you have all these
professional organization commitments
was there ever a time when you felt like
oh my gosh I've gotten into too much
here and and how did you manage that
yeah so you know that happens every once
in a while I mean even last week it
happened when I had like a journal Club
I was doing the next day and I was
preparing to do some residency
interviews and also told someone I'd
read them a letter of recommendation all
in the same night and said I would do
some help updates and therapeutics cards
so sitting down and like looking at like
what's essential what do I need to do
today and what can I put off till
tomorrow or later in the week and then
also like taking a step away you know I
like to swim I grew up swimming so for
me going down to the pool for an hour to
kind of clear everything out and be
alone in the water has been really good
for me great so self-care is kind of
balanced you back out what I'm feeling
like a little bit yeah I even remember
at school when I was like you know going
to school full-time and we were taking
exam the first place I'd go afterwards
is the pool just released all that I you
know you build up that agile and get all
excited for the examinee didn't sleep
for however long and yeah I'm really
great oh good so how do you think you
know you've interacted with a lot of
student leaders how do you think student
leaders can help support each other um
so I think we don't really focus a lot
on mentorship and sponsorship among
students I know we're encouraged to find
mentors who are already pharmacists but
I think there's a huge opportunity to
find mentors whether that's someone
who's a few classes ahead of you or even
in your own class and then also the
sponsorship component you know I don't
think we're always quick to talk other
people up as students and you know I
mean fortunately a new mat I haven't
experienced this but I
imagine it some programs it's
competitive and people are you know
going to be at the top of their class
but I think we really only just support
each other because at the end of the day
we're all gonna be pharmacists caring
for patients and so we should all help
each other become the best pharmacists
and then also just any present you know
so when other students are hosting
events be present at those meetings for
in support those students with huge
yeah the network that you're already
building while you're in school
certainly will continue into your
professional life so supporting each
other now and certainly help you in the
one last question because I know you're
in the midst of residency interviews so
how do you think you know given all your
leadership experience of the student how
do you think that that has benefited you
as you've experienced you know at least
one interview at this point how do you
think that those outside of the academic
wall experiences have helped you in your
residency search and application and
interview process oh my gosh so much you
know obviously school is important and
we all learn the necessary knowledge
should be pharmacist but for me I think
I've I've been very fortunate to gain
this bigger broader perspective of
pharmacy practice especially through my
involvement with like a HP Oh sh t and
SS HP I was fortunate to go on a
rotation and happy rotation to a sh t
headquarters where I had the opportunity
to meet a lot of really great
pharmacists who work there but then also
attended their policy week and so to
hear what these people are doing across
the country and make those connections
and then also attending mid-year was
huge I had some really great
conversations both in the showcase and
out of the showcase with some of my
potential programs that I'm now
interviewing for so I think it's so
important to make those connections you
know even starting late P three years if
not you know by mid like you should I
think you should like meet the program
before major and that was some
advice I was given to me and I'm very
glad people said that because by
mid-year it's too late
yes well good luck with all of your
interviews Laura and thank you so much
for spending some time with us on the
pharmacy leaders podcast thank you so
much for having me
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